![]() ![]() The central thoughts of Diotima in Platos Symposium: That beauty still may live in thine or thee!’ These children that you beget he continues, will not wither away, as mortal children do, but you shall live in them and in my plays: do but …You must create something in art: my verse ‘is thine, and born of thee ’ only listen to me, and I will bring forth eternal numbers to outlive long date,’ and you shall people with forms of your own image the imaginary world of the stage. ‘I’ll grant thou wert not married to my Muse.’ The marriage that Shakespeare proposes for Willie Hughes is the ‘marriage with his Muse,’ an expression which is definitely put forward in the 82nd Sonnet, where, in the bitterness of his heart at the defection of the boy-actor for whom he had written his greatest parts, and whose beauty had indeed suggested them, he opens his complaint by saying– He himself had married young, and the result had been unhappiness, and it was not likely that he would have asked Willie Hughes to commit the same error.įinally I made my great discovery. I could not understand how it was that Shakespeare set so high a value on his young friend marrying. “Where breath most breathes, even in the mouth of men,” (…) „Who was that young man of Shakespeare’s day who, without being of noble birth or even of noble nature, was addressed by him in terms of such passionate adoration that we can but wonder at the strange worship, and are almost afraid to turn the key that unlocks the mystery of the poet’s heart? Who was he whose physical beauty was such that it became the very corner-stone of Shakespeare’s art the very source of Shakespeare’s inspiration the very incarnation of Shakespeare’s dreams? To look upon him as simply the object of certain love-poems is to miss the whole meaning of the poems: for the art of which Shakespeare talks in the Sonnets is not the art of the Sonnets themselves, which indeed were to him but slight and secret things – it is the art of the dramatist to which he is always alluding and he to whom Shakespeare said–Īs high as learning my rude ignorance,” – The central platonic thoughts of Oscar Wilde: Posted on FebruFebruAuthor chilario Categories Uncategorized Tags Plato, Shakespeare, Symposium, Trial It is intellectual, and it repeatedly exists between an elder and a younger man, when the elder has intellect, and the younger man has all the joy, hope, and glamour of life before him.” This defense had mixed results at the trial, but it’s interesting to see the ideas of the Symposium get referenced in multiple works of Wilde’s. When questioned about the line, “the love that dare not speak its name” from one of Bosie’s poems, Wilde replied that, “There is nothing unnatural about it. Wilde even alludes to the Symposium at his trial. Wilde might be using the references to say that it’s perfectly natural for Shakespeare to admire Willie Hughes’ beauty because that’s what the Greeks did, and it’s actually one of the higher forms of affection. However, on pages 324 and 325 Wilde references the Symposium and says that the Platonic conception of love is “nothing if not spiritual” and is removed from “gross bodily appetite.” This leads me to believe that Wilde included the references to the Symposium as somewhat of a defense against critics who might interpret the relationship between Shakespeare and Willie Hughes as indecent. W.H.,” I thought that the relationship between Shakespeare and Willie Hughes was meant to be seen as romantic. When I read the first part “The Portrait of Mr. In my copy of the Symposium, it mentions that when the Symposium was studied in the past, the sexual aspect of the relationship was ignored, and it was just interpreted as a mentor and mentee relationship between men. It was fairly common practice among the elite of Ancient Greece. The older man was meant to act as a mentor for the young man and help him develop as a person, but there was also a sexual aspect to this relationship. ![]() ![]() It’s a collection of speeches about the nature of Eros, the god of love and desire, and a lot of it focuses on pederasty-the relationship between an older man and a young man. W.H.” was the references to Plato’s Symposium. What I found most interesting about “The Portrait of Mr. ![]()
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